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>> Hey, thanks for joining us for Last Call where we get to the topics we didn't have time for in the first 30 or so minutes.

Joe Holleman, congratulations.

You were able to find a tape.

Congratulations.

You found a tape of uh St.

Louis County Councilwoman Shelanda Webb.

duking it out in Belffountaine Neighbors with state senator Angela Mosley.

Now, you would have reported about this earlier.

It happened in September.

Uh but uh there was some crazy fisticuffs.

You called the the the the uh slugging haymakers, I think.

>> Yeah, there was, you know, first of all, it was apparently Belfefountain Neighbors just couldn't find the recording for several months.

I kept writing them saying freedom of information.

We want Well, we don't know where it's at.

Oh.

But then when the attorney general got a hold of the case, I think, you know, they they amazingly found the recording.

Here it is.

So, come get it.

So, I went to get it and I didn't think it would show much.

actually shows quite a lot of this confrontation after a town hall meeting uh where both Shelanda Webb, a county council woman, and Senator Angela Walton Mosley, and a little bit uh Senator Mosley's sister, Relle Walton Gray, former council woman who Shelanda Webb beat, all get into at first a war of words.

Shelanda Webb gets sort of cornered against a door and the fighting ensues and it's it's not just the little pushing thing which is what I expected I would see.

So we posted it because I believed that one the public had the right to know what happened.

I mean we wrote about this everybody talked about it and so it's on our site.

Watch it and you can come to the conclusion that you want to as to who actually started the fight.

Well, I'm no wrestling referee, but it looked like Miz.

Web was being pushed into the corner and and then she got into it.

She was But you know what?

I think it looks so bad for the individuals involved.

I would think that they'd have a motivation to try and make sure that it's never seen again.

So maybe they could settle their differences with their lawyers quietly and just walk away slowly and maybe of uh prevent us from being totally >> well.

Well, now now that it's out there and people can see it.

I mean, there's it's a terrible thing to say, but men enjoy watching women fight.

There's something about a a cat fight that people go, "Wow, that's worth watching."

>> Okay, that was that that's just totally embarrassing.

And they all need to go away.

and Rampage is going away and hopefully these uh women will be going away and get back to just like some governance with some some I don't know decency.

>> Well, let me ask you what they're modeling for the the the Walton Gray side of of this the those who were pounding Shelanda Webb.

They have younger they have nieces, daughters who are also in elected, you know, in serving in elected office and and that modeling of that.

It's just it's I'm like you, Alvin.

It's they're better than that.

And Shelanda Webb has some aspirations, I believe.

>> Well, those are pretty much over off that.

And you know, we we always say that, you know, like sometimes you say like ah, you know, you're better than that.

I'm not I'm not casting apersion on any of their souls or anything like that, but you've proven to not be better than that.

>> Well, people have bad moments and um you know, hockey players fight all the time.

No one thinks twice about it.

So, >> hockey players aren't voted to look after.

>> No, but I mean, you don't we fighting is all the time on the ice at a Blues game.

We don't think anything about it.

>> Hockey players are paid to entertain us.

They're paid to actually govern.

They just fight.

They just inadvertently entertain us.

Yeah, they actually are.

>> Yeah, they are.

Hockey.

Yeah, they are.

>> No, they're not.

No, an enforcer actually.

>> People love it.

People love it when they >> That's why I think they're going to forget it.

I You know, people's memories are short, Alvin.

And uh this will be forgotten if they allow it to be forgotten.

But if they litigate, it's not going to >> No, I agree with I agree with you on that.

Like it'll never die if they keep bringing it up.

It's just totally embarrassing.

And why am I not surprised?

You know, like you say, like hopefully hopefully voters have had enough of this.

Just trust me, people have had enough of Donald Trump.

On the other side, people have had enough of this kind of nonsense on the Democratic side.

>> Did you watch it?

Did you?

>> Yeah, I watched it.

>> Right.

I look watch the fight, >> Bill.

Bill, I'm too quite frankly, I'm too embarrassed for my race to enjoy it or get any laughter out of it.

It's disgraceful.

>> But people in all backgrounds get in fights.

No, I'm not saying.

But I'm, like I say, I'm the one black person sitting here, and I can tell you as a black person, that's totally embarrassing.

>> But now that I know how Bill says the rest of of of the male population feels, I will have to say something.

>> Well, I I I I can't speak for all the males get back.

>> I can't I can't speak for all of us, Wendy.

Oh, all right.

They should fight.

What's the thing the night before Thanksgiving?

Um, >> guns and hoses.

>> Guns and hoses.

There you go.

We're off.

>> Uh, who do you want to go to, Wendy?

Uh it's been reported by the Post Dispatches Austin Hugallet who uh reported that Hugallay, I'm sorry.

Austin's a great reporter.

He took a look at the St.

Louis Association for Community Organizations.

Uh it's an umbrella organization of community groups and uh according to his reporting uh among other things, uh the group was paying about $12,000 to clean up a 1 acre area property.

another $7,000 for half an acre.

Uh the suggestion was that the city could have had that mode for $100 a parcel, something like that.

Um until I see exactly what's on that property, I don't know what the correct price is, although I suspect it's it's too high at $12,000 an acre.

What was your take from that story?

I want to believe that and and it sounded like in any way they that SLO has a lot of terrific people doing their PR because they got way out in front of it in terms of self- congratulations and St.

Louis is going to dig in and we're going to fix this and it's going to be great and kumbaya and then you find out $12,000 for a lot.

There could have been some really difficult things to deal with on that lot, I suppose, in terms of, you know, I I'm like you.

I'd like to see a picture of the specific, you know, what was going on on the lot, but uh I I had to admire the fact that somebody has the the understanding of of the political landscape to just say, "Hey, we are, you know, we are charging $12,000 for an acre.

We're paying the kids 25 bucks an hour and we are changing the landscape."

>> Well, well, they're backing off, aren't they?

saying and they're now saying that, hey, the boss has been buying houses and doing this and spending money.

I mean, they're it seems like they realize they're in some kind of trouble.

>> I and I thought, you know, they thought it would go away.

I mean, uh I will completely back Austin's reporting on this story who started out with one story, moved on to another story, and there may be more coming.

But the thing that got kind of lost, if you look at the price of the lot, it was also when the city said, "We'd like records."

and we don't have those records.

We'd like these documents.

We'd like these.

Oh, we don't have that.

We don't have that.

Then, oh, the kids were paying.

That's not the name of the kids.

You said >> there's a this dog has a lot of fleas.

>> And the idea of saying, well, the lot is maybe fair.

We're not finding anything comparable.

The city doesn't charge that much if they clear a lot.

And cities aren't known for charging low rates.

>> But here here's the thing, Joe.

They were saying that the city pays $100 to mow a piece of property.

Well, this was one acre.

And one acre is the size of an American football field without the end zones.

It's a lot.

And you know, if you've been out there, and I know you have, picking up litter from time and again, you find a lot of junk there.

Heavy stuff.

They found tiles.

They found trees.

There could have been some hazardous stuff.

>> You got to get a dumpster.

You got to get people with heavy equipment.

It's not a $100 job as was suggested by this story.

>> Well, I I I disagree that that's what it suggested.

It said they did.

It said about $100 for a city lot, >> right?

And it said mowing, but that's not an acre.

That's not an acre.

A lot is not a city.

>> I know.

So, they should have panned the figure.

What would it cost?

>> And that's why you need to keep reading Austin's story.

And and when the when the organization itself said, "Well, we've been doing some bad things here and we're just >> but that that goes back to earlier this year when the board was looking into some home purchases, which is different than the $500,000 federal grant that the organization got to clean up North St.

Louis.

>> Same bosses."

>> But the fact that this was going to be that this was already being touted as being so transformative, the word of the year, you know, that that's what makes it look a little dup.

Well, what's amazing is that we got $400 million, no $500 million in pandemic money in the city for what?

400 different projects and they were supposed to be transformative.

I don't know if anything's been transformative yet.

>> Well, some specific people have found some transformative >> Yeah, that's right.

>> Yeah.

scamming, grifting, grafting.

Yeah.

All that.

I mean, >> there's been people whose lives have been transformed by co Well, they're now they're at the Greybar Motel.

Yeah.

Yeah.

With more to come.

more to go.

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